tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9223684.post3515686612081700668..comments2023-10-22T12:12:04.100+01:00Comments on American Buddhist in England: Blogisattvas, Bristol, and more...Buddhist_philosopherhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14246929532585980356noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9223684.post-84430117421881122622008-03-04T21:36:00.000+00:002008-03-04T21:36:00.000+00:00... and THIS, from Charlie Cook of Cook Political ...... and <A HREF="http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950CEED6163EF93AA35750C0A9629C8B63" REL="nofollow">THIS</A>, from Charlie Cook of Cook Political Report, our nation's premier pollster:<BR/><BR/>"Remember that Mr. Nader, running as the Green Party nominee, cost Al Gore two states, Florida and New Hampshire, either of which would have given the vice president a victory in 2000. In Florida, which George W. Bush carried by 537 votes, Mr. Nader received nearly 100,000 votes. In New Hampshire, which Mr. Bush won by 7,211 votes, Mr. Nader pulled in more than 22,000. National exit polls by the Voter News Service showed that had Mr. Nader not run, 47 percent of his supporters would have voted for Al Gore, while only 21 percent would have voted for Mr. Bush."<BR/><BR/>[I don't think that Cook's stats would quite give Gore New Hampshire -- 26% of 22,000 is less than 7,211 -- but yes, indeed, Florida would have come Gore's way!!]<BR/><BR/>Sorry for trolling. Gotta go; wanna finish my book "Naked Came the Buddhist" for Random House.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13718601770472939313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9223684.post-85906055571777988672008-03-04T20:23:00.000+00:002008-03-04T20:23:00.000+00:00... and I might add: Voters and potential 3rd-par...... and I might add: Voters and potential 3rd-party candidates have a responsibility to not play havoc with our system by allowing spoilers to give us election outcomes that are against the will of the majority.<BR/><BR/>Whatever his politics, Nader has played, and continues to play, a villainous role.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13718601770472939313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9223684.post-77491663704996293832008-03-04T20:17:00.000+00:002008-03-04T20:17:00.000+00:00I may stand alone on this in this comment thread, ...I may stand alone on this in this comment thread, but I have Truth, Right and the American Way on my side, which means I DON'T STAND ALONE! [wHAT?]<BR/><BR/>I don't claim that "all those" 97,000 people would have voted for Gore. Some might not have voted; a few might have voted for Buchanan, but the majority and by a margin of well over 500 would have voted for Gore instead of Bush. Thus, Nader's quixotic misadventure of narcissistic presidency seeking has been a spectacular expense of American lives and treasure.<BR/><BR/>As for bud phil's latest comment, Perot is different, a third-party candidate who actually, legitimately thought he could win the election. He was ahead of the field in some midyear 1992 polls. I don't know that he handed that election to Clinton. Clinton won by about 5.6% over Bush; Perot got 18.9% of the vote. Perot's libertarian supporters came from across the spectrum of liberal <---> conservative.<BR/><BR/>Nonetheless, I -- liberal Tom -- do here complain about any skewy outcome that thwarts fairness and propels an impostor into high office due to the craziness of our undemocratic system of finding a president.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13718601770472939313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9223684.post-74629567645345157922008-03-04T15:08:00.000+00:002008-03-04T15:08:00.000+00:00I'm with you Patia. I think Nader is great. I di...I'm with you Patia. I think Nader is great. I didn't hear any liberals/progressives complaining when Perot helped hand Clinton the 1992 election. In the end I blame a rather shallow American electorate (things like 'electibility' and 'good guy' became central 'issues') for Gore's loss in 2000.Buddhist_philosopherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14246929532585980356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9223684.post-1051341739428420352008-03-03T03:18:00.000+00:002008-03-03T03:18:00.000+00:00Well, if Gore hadn't been on the ballot, Nader mig...Well, if Gore hadn't been on the ballot, Nader might have been president!<BR/><BR/>I mean, how do you know all those people who voted for Nader would have voted for Gore instead? Maybe they would have voted for Bush. Or Pat Buchanan. Maybe they wouldn't have voted at all.<BR/><BR/>I'm a progressive; the Dems need to not take my vote for granted.Patiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13266018405604523361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9223684.post-48879857582470693992008-03-02T19:31:00.000+00:002008-03-02T19:31:00.000+00:00Had Nader not been on the ballot in 2000, Gore wou...Had Nader not been on the ballot in 2000, Gore would have been inaugurated as president on Jan 20, 2001. A cursory look at the Florida count makes that indisputable. Nader got something like 97,000 votes in Florida. Bush finished ahead of Gore there by something like 500 votes.<BR/><BR/>But in any case, our system for electing presidents results in third-party candidates having no chance of getting elected, and drawing votes from the mainstream candidate most like them, and hurting that mainstream candidate's chance of getting elected.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13718601770472939313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9223684.post-8423503797614826112008-03-02T03:02:00.000+00:002008-03-02T03:02:00.000+00:00For the umpteenth time, Nader did not put Bush in ...For the umpteenth time, Nader did not put Bush in office. The American people and/or the Supreme Court did.<BR/><BR/>If the mainstream democratic candidates want my vote, they are going to have to earn it by addressing the progressive issues that are important to me.<BR/><BR/>I should say, though, that while I voted for Nader in 2000, I voted for Kerry in 2004. I thought there was a snowball's chance in hell that Kerry could actually win Montana.Patiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13266018405604523361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9223684.post-39632643503294652942008-03-01T21:58:00.000+00:002008-03-01T21:58:00.000+00:00Since we don't rank-vote for president, Nader has ...Since we don't <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_system#Ranked_voting_methods" REL="nofollow">rank-vote</A> for president, Nader has the potential to put us in George W. Bush's third term [ie, McCain's first term]. This would not be good.<BR/><BR/>I'm all for making Nader a senator, or voting my stock to make Nader head of General Motors. But unhappily our presidential-voting system is rigged such that third-party candidate can only be spoilers. Think of how much better the world might be today had Nader not brought us eight years of George W. Bush.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13718601770472939313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9223684.post-13337235031139351532008-03-01T20:56:00.000+00:002008-03-01T20:56:00.000+00:00I am NOT a necrophiliac.Obama's a hottie, but just...I am NOT a necrophiliac.<BR/><BR/>Obama's a hottie, but just doesn't have as much (sigh) <I>sincerity</I> as Nader.Patiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13266018405604523361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9223684.post-75562425222456717942008-03-01T20:41:00.000+00:002008-03-01T20:41:00.000+00:00By now diehard Nader's fans are past "die hard" an...By now diehard Nader's fans are past "die hard" and into "night of the living dead."<BR/><BR/>unZombiefy yourselves, and become Obamalicious!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13718601770472939313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9223684.post-61290478489193918032008-03-01T20:35:00.000+00:002008-03-01T20:35:00.000+00:00Not only am I a diehard Nader fan, I want to have ...Not only am I a diehard Nader fan, I <A HREF="http://www.patiastephens.com/2007/06/i-want-to-have-ralph-naders-love-child.html" REL="nofollow">want to have his lovechild</A>.<BR/><BR/>Yoohoo, Justin! You've been on the ground for almost 48 hours. Climb out of bed and give us an update! (Surely you're over your, uh, jet lag by now.)Patiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13266018405604523361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9223684.post-63469855697623343672008-02-27T19:16:00.000+00:002008-02-27T19:16:00.000+00:00Damn those Nader's Raiders! Snapping up normally d...Damn those Nader's Raiders! Snapping up normally dependable Dem voters right before my eyes!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13718601770472939313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9223684.post-91422713127932547642008-02-27T02:03:00.000+00:002008-02-27T02:03:00.000+00:00I Peace JenI <3 Nader. I have voted for him in every election since I turned 18!!! It's nice to see someone run for president that actually cares about the people!!<BR/>Peace JenGoJenGohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11944710891463160184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9223684.post-18664057710616504892008-02-26T23:12:00.000+00:002008-02-26T23:12:00.000+00:00Patia - thank ya thank ya :)Margaret - I think you...Patia - thank ya thank ya :)<BR/><BR/>Margaret - I think you're right on the stomach thing, so much for doctors... I'm sure I'll be right as rain in a few more days. Thanks for the congrats and yes, the PhD does seem to have some actual shape now, which is good :)<BR/><BR/>Jen - thank you too :) peace.<BR/><BR/>Tom - You're right about the electoral stuff, but didn't you know that (like Patia) I'm a die hard Nader fan? Obama who?Buddhist_philosopherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14246929532585980356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9223684.post-41167601511281567732008-02-26T20:57:00.000+00:002008-02-26T20:57:00.000+00:00I, too, congratulate you on your awards and hope t...I, too, congratulate you on your awards and hope things go well with you, your education [including any in-the-field research on sex with animals], and your trip back to The New World.<BR/><BR/>On behalf of myself and patia, we thank you for your determination to "do all [you] can" to put Barack in the White House. I note <A HREF="http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/election_2008_electoral_college_update" REL="nofollow">at Rasmussen</A> Virginia is a battleground state whereas Montana is Safely Republican in their Electoral Vote assessment. Thus, in order to "do all [you] can" you will of course arrange to be living in Virgina on the first Tuesday after the second Monday in November, ya?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13718601770472939313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9223684.post-39729601157587597842008-02-26T19:07:00.000+00:002008-02-26T19:07:00.000+00:00I hope you have a safe trip home. Peace, JenI hope you have a safe trip home. <BR/>Peace, JenGoJenGohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11944710891463160184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9223684.post-28376332205987137762008-02-26T12:08:00.000+00:002008-02-26T12:08:00.000+00:00Excuse me? Food poisoning?? I don't think so--you ...Excuse me? Food poisoning?? I don't think so--you didn't eat anything Bruce and I didn't eat; if it were food poisoning, we would have had it too. A possibility is that your body took the opportunity of lots of sleep, no noise, food without preservatives and almost no environmental pollution to start detoxing--which often takes the form of colds and digestive/intestinal upsets as the body literally tries to flush out accumulated toxins. Whatever--I hope you're feeling better! <BR/>Great news on your awards; and your PhD plans look really exciting.<BR/>Safe trip back to Kelly!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11628556746112219532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9223684.post-17754802992999997912008-02-25T19:09:00.000+00:002008-02-25T19:09:00.000+00:00Congrats on your awards, and safe travels!Congrats on your awards, and safe travels!Patiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13266018405604523361noreply@blogger.com